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Today on Baseball Coaches Unplugged, you'll learn what it takes to win a state baseball championship, not just once, but three out of the last five years.
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We discuss the underrated factors that contribute to a team's success how to develop players' buy-in strategies used to help players handle pressure in big games, with Jared Ingersoll, head coach at American Fork High School in Utah.
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Hello and welcome to Baseball Coaches Unplugged.
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I'm your host, coach Ken Carpenter, and today, if you're looking to build a championship program that's consistently winning year after year, you're going to really enjoy today's guest.
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Jared Ingersoll, has been doing it for 24 years at American Fork High School and winning state championships.
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Coach, thanks for taking time to be on Baseball.
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Coaches Unplugged, you bet it's a pleasure to be here.
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Well, we were going to try to do this recording a couple days ago, but you had something come up and I have a lot of firsts on this podcast and you were going to be the first one to say I had to take a trip on a helicopter, so we needed to back out.
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So, for the sake of the listeners, what happened on this helicopter ride?
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So it's my brother's 50th birthday.
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We're one year and 10 days apart.
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He also was a head coach at Lehigh, which is one of our same region schools.
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We've had to coach against each other for a while and he stepped away and his assistant over there.
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And for his 50th we have a buddy, a common buddy that I don't know if you've heard of bucked up energy drinks or bucked up pre-workout or they do creatine, they do all kinds of things.
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Well, he's kind of the CEO of it.
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He's kind of the CEO of it and last year we went to Pearl Jam at Wrigley Field for two times in three days and that's what we did last year.
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So he was putting a lot of pressure on me.
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So I asked my buddy, ryan's his name at Bucked Up and he says we've been talking about going helicopter fishing.
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So there's a mountain range in Utah called the Uintas and it's out in the sticks and he said let's do it.
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So he picked us up the other day and we went down there and took a helicopter deep in the mountains and fished this lake and caught like fish almost every cast and it was a lot of fun and that's kind of that's my first time on a helicopter and if I ever hit the lottery, that's the first thing I'm going to buy, because it was pretty sweet.
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Really Wow.
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What were you fishing for?
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We were fishing for trout brookies, eastern brookies.
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They weren't very big but they were sure marked up and pretty fish at this time of year.
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Great.
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Well, there you go.
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That's a first for me.
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I love a coach with a great story, and that definitely is a good one there.
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Well, you just capped off your Utah State Championship in, I believe, the last five years.
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Yeah, what was the most underrated factor that contributed to your team's success this year?
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Well, we kind of underachieved, in my perspective, in 24.
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You know, we went into the state as the number one seed and, to be honest with you, we were kind of honoring me and my coaching staff.
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We talked a lot in the fall about better leadership, being better prepared, playing more together as a squad and, you know, going into the season we knew we were going to be tough just not how tough and especially when our backs are against the wall.
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But this senior group was probably one of our more did just an incredible job of leadership and playing for each other and not caring who gets the credit and being very unselfish in our bats and just finding ways to put the ball in play.
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And with two strikes and just so impressed by our senior group and their leadership, that was probably our biggest thing that we focused on and asked the kids to do and they responded and totally got the job done you know you, you had mentioned that.
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Um, you know you, you you got your guys to basically buy into a concept and yes, and it really paid off.
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What, um, what have you had happen in the past where you're like, okay, we, we've got to make a couple of changes and, going into the season, that was one right there.
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Were there any other changes that you made?
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Well, I don't know.
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You know, looking every year is kind of different.
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But we, I think we have a really good system in our program if the kids do buy in, but we weren't playing.
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I mean, one of the biggest adjustments really is we just I hate boring baseball Like I expect high energy, I expect them to play hard.
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It's kind of we call it the American Fork way or the AF way, and our kids kind of say that and it's kind of some verbiage that's used around the locker room and on the field.
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And what does that really look like?
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Well, hopefully we think it looks like the world just a little bit different, a little bit tougher, a little bit more excited about the work and the task that's in front of us in the game.
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And you know there was a time in 24 where we got deep in the state tournament where it just didn't click.
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And it's weird how some years it'll click and some years it won't.
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And you know we've tried to prepare our kids to make it click every year.
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And it's winning a state championship.
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It's not easy.
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Um, it's sometimes and I told our kids the other day in the classroom that you can't take for granted the success that we've had and we can't relax because when you do that you'll get beat.
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And I was just, really just.
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We ran in, we sprinted off the field, we went and charged out to defense.
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I don't know, the kids just bought into that and played really hard and was just so proud of them just bought into that and played really hard and was just so proud of them.
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Well, I wanted to ask, if a coach is listening out there right now and they're in that situation where they've made a couple deep runs but they just can't quite take that final step to win the state title, what would you recommend?
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Well, a cool thing about our program is, I feel like and this is my 24th year here at American Fork.
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I've had to dodge the mob a few times.
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They came after me when we were unsuccessful.
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I don't think there's a coach out there that hasn't dodged the mob.
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You know, parents or admin or leadership, that's above you kind of a thing.
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But the biggest thing that I would say is that our kids, we get into them in a respectful way, but they know that we care about them and I talk a lot about them.
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I tell them I love them, I want them to love each other and that's a hard thing because they come from all kinds of different walks of lives and just getting kids, hey, you don't need to hang out on the weekends, but when we walk through and we're between the white lines, you guys need to have a common respect and a love for each other.
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Very few I say this a lot to our kids very few people actually have an idea or a feel of what it actually means to be on a team where you can almost feel it in the dugout that if we get behind a couple rounds or if we get up a couple rounds, that we're going to extend the lead.
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It's almost a palpable like, you can almost touch that feeling.
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And the kids have to be held accountable, they have to be respected, but they have to know that you care genuinely and that you love them.
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Because if you have that kind of that common I know it sounds kind of cliche, but if they're not going to care until you know how much they, you care about them.
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And I feel like we have a good relationship with most of our players we push our players.
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There's the way they handle the failure part of the game.
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I mean, sometimes a kid will make a mistake and he'll come off the field and he'll have like six or I have a really big staff.
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You have like six or seven coaches that they'll be told by other coaches hey, what do you think you could have done better?
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Well, what about this?
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What about that?
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I mean, really the only time I ever really kind of lose my mind is when there's a lack of effort or a lack of that's pretty much.
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It Just not hustling, but just the team concept is what you have to have to get over the hump, in my opinion, and it's rare to actually get teams to actually all be pulling in the same direction and it's a culture thing and it's an everyday fight to get that culture to be there.
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Well, you talked about dodging the mob there and, uh, you know, do you think over your career that?
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Has there been any change that you've noticed where you're like?
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I think players want to be coached hard Sometimes.
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Mom and dad maybe may not be quite as receptive to that.
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Yeah, it's.
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It's a weird time in high school athletics, especially baseball.
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You have the showcases, you have the summer baseball and you know when, when we get our kids back, all from those things which we want our kids to go to.
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We've had a lot of guys go play college baseball, those things which we want our kids to go to.
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We've had a lot of guys go play college baseball.
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But the parents sometimes we have a parent meeting as soon as I make the final cuts and I just kind of lay it out there and kind of stick it to them a little bit and I times we have usually have about 35 players in our program.
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That's sophomore to varsity and I times that by 24 and that's something like 1500 athletes.
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I don't know what the number is, but I go 0% and I go.
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I personally I don't do a lot of things really right in this world, but the one thing that I can do is I can read your son's body language and I can tell by the way it's getting talked around at the dinner table and it should be talked around at the dinner table.
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I can tell by the way if it's positive or it's negative around at the dinner table.
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I can tell, by the way, if it's positive or it's negative.
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And parents, I go.
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If you feel like bucking that trend by telling them you're getting screwed by the coach or you should be playing over this guy, you're not doing your kid any favors.
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They need to learn how to compete and battle for that position and through the game of baseball there's a lot of life lessons that are learned.
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And if you tell their kid or rescue them from the battle or the position that they're in, that's not helping them out in life.
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And it's a hard, hard challenge.
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But I kind of stick to the parents I go, let us do our job.
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But I also have an open door policy.
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Like I don't want to see you up in the stands with a dark cloud over you trying to get other people to pull over your side about what should be being done, I go.
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If you've got a problem, come look me in the eyes.
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Let's try to find common ground.
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You deserve an explanation of why we do what we do.
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You're invited to all the practices.
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Come to the practices.
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Come see what we've got going on.
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I mean, we're with these kids more than their parents are really and we want them to understand why we're doing what we're doing and I feel like I used to be really good at this.
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But sometimes, now that I'm getting older, I find myself being a little bit lazy on the communication with the kid.
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Like we started a freshman in center field over a junior and I went to the junior and I said you deserve an explanation of why we're doing what we're doing.
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And I just said he's more of a playmaker, you both will make the plays, but I feel like he'll go get the ball.
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He's more of a competitor and so I had to explain that to him and I go it's not that you can't do it, but you've got to find a way to get better at that of competing.
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So under helping daily communication and sometimes I swept stuff under the rug in my past and it's come back and bit me Like you have to have those kind of talks, the hard talks, but I think that it's the way that we have to communicate with the kids or with the parent.
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But I've had parents come in and they want explanations and we try to explain it to them of why we're doing what we're doing, and I'll always have another coach with me and it's not an easy thing when their kid's not playing.
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But it's not about their kid, it's about us.
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It's about our team and about what makes us the best.
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But also one of the keys is, like in the past years, we've had seniors that like, maybe their role is just pinch running, maybe it's their job is to come in later innings when we need a defensive sub that we make us better defensively.
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Maybe it's you're just a pitcher only for us.
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You know, whatever the role, helping them to feel comfortable and to helping them feel valued that is the key.
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Without a doubt, and that's that's kind of what I was wanting to know is how do you treat and handle the player who you know he he's just not going to get that much playing time.
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But you don't want to mess up the team chemistry and sometimes you know you get those guys that'll be like I don't care, coach, I want to be on the team.
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But then once the season gets rolling, it's like their attitudes change a little bit.
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How do you handle that?
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You know?
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just pull them aside and say how are you feeling right now?
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You know, like, where are you at, like what do you see?
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And I go and I'll say I want your heart.
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I don't want you to sugarcoat things.
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I want, I want to know how you feel inside about what we're asking you to do.
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Maybe you don't know what we're doing.
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Well, here's what I think you should do.
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I want your heart.
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I want you to not sugarcoat how you feel inside.
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Okay, and they'll explain to me and I'll go.
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Well, how can we make you feel more valued?
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You know, in this program, for example, we had a senior this last year.
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We have a really good junior catcher.
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He's committed to BYU and this senior catcher that came in you thought he was the starter and it was going to be the final game, like he came in and just worked his guts off.
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So I had an awesome opportunity to talk to him after the season out in Omaha.
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We go to the College World Series every year for like 10 games and he happened to be out there and I had him come sit down by me and I said, just so you know, I'd probably give you the MVP, and he kind of looked at me, like huh, and I said he probably had four bats, he probably caught maybe two innings.
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I said what you did, how you came in every day and gave us everything and try to improve and try to get better, and when we'd score runs he was the first guy out to congratulate.
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Like his attitude and like going from here forward, like in his life, whether he's going on a mission or he's going to be a ceo or he's going into the business world, that attitude will make him so valuable to whoever he's around and to help kids understand that it's hard and I've lost the battle on some of those things too, you know, and and but that helping kids feel valuable in their role, whether it's the bench or the starting pitcher or the shortstop or the catcher, is so crucial.
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But it takes time and I can't do it all myself.
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I'm lucky that I have great assistants.
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Yeah, those guys are critical to your success.
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And if you could talk a little bit about those guys and if you could talk a little bit about those guys.
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So I have my yeah, we.
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I feel bad when I see some of these coaches that try to do all their selves.
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Some I'm, I'm, I'm not I'm not very good at handling things by myself Like I put a lot on my assistant's plates, like I expect them to coach.
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My head assistant's been with me for 24 years and we've had disagreements and just a relationship but we trust each other.
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We go to these, we go to the College World Series, we go to these ABCA conventions together and we kind of fishbowl Like our coaches meetings.
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When we're talking about some of our personnel they get kind of heated sometimes because one guy you know, and ultimately it's obviously my decision.
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But I want their input, I want them to challenge why we're doing what we're doing or why we're doing what we're doing with this kit or this player, um.
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But at the end of the day, like before the state tournament we'd had, this was kind of crazy because we'd been winning.
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But I felt like me and the pitching coach and the pitching coach and the defensive like adjusting the defense.
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We were kind of chirping at each other during the game and we talked about how we need to broadcast to the team that we're all on the same page.
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If we have disagreements, let's not do it in front of the kids.
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Let's try to do it off the field or talk about it when they're not being able to see that maybe we're having disagreement, kind of a thing.
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But I have him.
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Coach Homestead is his name.
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He's unbelievable.
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His boys have all played for me Scott Jepson and Brandon Devereaux.
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We have two pitching coaches and I wish I could sell headsets to listen to those two guys banter about what they saw between the game.
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I could make it is and I'm always down by them and just listening to them because there's so much going on and they both see different things but they work so well together.
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My hitting guys were Mitch Jones and Sean Johnson.
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Mitch Jones played in the big leagues, played forever in AAA.
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He was a teammate of mine back in college.
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Sean Johnson was a head coach at a time down at another school in Utah.
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And then we have Brennan Mascara, whose boy just committed to TCU and is at TCU as a freshman this year.
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Ryan Draper I mean I have like seven or eight coaches and we just got another one of my old players back who finished college and coaching at Friends University in Louisiana.
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So we always have a meeting and I tell them what their roles are or what their expectations are and what my expectations are, and then I just let them go and they know our system enough to know what exactly needs to be done.
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But I'll tell you this I wouldn't be doing it if it wasn't for them.
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And they may come into the yard fun, even when we're struggling a little bit or what it might be.
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They just make it easy coming to the field.
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What strategies do you use to help your players handle pressure, because you guys have been in some big games the last five years, and do you have something that you or your coaching staff does?
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You know, every practice we need to do something competitive.
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Um, so we do a lot of stuff actually.
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Um, we have a drill, we have a bunch of drills that we do where we coach pitch it or we um machine pitch it, and it encompasses every aspect of the game other than the pitchers actually pitching.
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But they're covering, they're backing up bases, they're moving around.
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If the ball gets hit off the screen, they roll too, and it's for every base.
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You get on offense, you get points, and so like I'll divide the two teams up, not the varsity versus the JV, but I'll try to divide them up.
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It takes a lot of organization and planning, which is not my strong point, and they'll sit and they'll like almost fight each other in this drill and I'll say, hey, we're just a team here, but inside I'm like we got these guys, like they're learning to compete inside the game and so like if we have a runner first and you hit a base, hit up the middle and the guy goes first to third and they overthrow the cutoff guy trying to throw the guy at third and our hitter better be on second base, and when we go to the big fields in the state tournament it will eat teams up because of the pressure that we put on people through running to the bases, we'll do like a 21 outs, where they got to do 21 clean outs, and they get three chances.
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If they don't do that, they have a triangle which is where you run from home plate to the right field pole, across center field to the left field pole, back to the home.
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And it's kind of an older way of thinking but there needs to be some kind of pressure and so and so like.
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When we get to like 17 or 18 outs, I'm looking around at which guys you know doesn't want to make a play that I'm hitting it out of.
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We believe in tough love when we do our individual defense, like we'll hit a bunch of ground balls and we'll throw it across the diamond to one and then I'll go two times clean, which means they have to fill, set their feet, make the throw.
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First, baseman's got to receive it, he's got to throw the catcher, so everything's got to be clean.
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If they don't, then we start it over.
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So we're constantly trying to put pressure on our guys because, let's face it, and we talk a lot about being comfortable in the uncomfortable situations.
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We talk a lot about a process, about breathing, having a focal point when you're in the box or when you're a defensive spot or when you're on the bump.
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You know everything we do is to try to help them to breathe and be their very best when it matters the most.
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What's the biggest shift you've made in your coaching approach over the years, and what do you think led to that change?
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Well, when I was a young coach and I took over this high school program.
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I played for this.
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This is where I went to high school and we had the best coach in the world.
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His name's Kim Nelson.
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He's still coaching.
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I swear he's been coaching for 50 years and he's won a bunch of state championships and he is the epitome of what a coach should be.
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Well, he left and went over to this other school and we hadn't been to the state tournament in seven years.
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So when we got back, obviously that was our goal, was just trying to get to the post season and we weren't very good.
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We did a lot of West Coast style baseball where we expected the kids to wear pitches.
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We expect them to be aggressive when they got there.
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But we bunted a lot.
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We bunted the hell out of people and it's won us a lot of games.
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It's put a couple of banners up in the gymnasium because we were so good at it and I've kind of gotten away from that a little bit, not that I don't, because I think bunting is the sleeping giant of baseball, because it puts pressure on our whole offensive scheme, is trying to put pressure.
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Let's steal bases, let's hit and run, let's move guys around and I've kind of stepped back just a little bit and trusted more of the hitter than trying to actually force things, if that makes sense is one area where I've kind of backed off it.
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But at some point in the season a bunt's going to win us the game, so they better be able to do it.
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And we do work a lot out in practice.
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But in the summers and the falls and in the spring we bunted all the time and so we were really good at it.
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Now I don't bunt as much, so when we need to do the bunt it doesn't always work out as much as I would like it to, because we haven't been doing it all damn year.
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So I don't know.
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That's one area where I've adjusted a little bit.
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I would like to think that I'm getting better at some things and learning.
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That's what's great about the game of baseball.
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It's constantly evolving.
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You go to those ABCA conventions and you're going to learn real quick that you don't know very much.
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You're not the smartest guy in the room, that's for sure.
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Like you're.
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It's like drinking from a fire hydrant.
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So I used to go to those conventions and I go to them every year and I would try to take away six to seven things.
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Well, now I've simplified that down to three things and just kind of try to add that better to our program.
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Yeah, I love that approach because you could sit there and try to do all these things and then you're like, oh my God, I just don't have enough time to do it.