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Today on Baseball Coaches Unplugged, one coach's approach to practice that carries over the games.
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Eagle defense drill and PFP Olympics are just a few ways of making practice competitive and the players love it.
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Also, who are you taking to help you win a championship?
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Freddy Freeman or Bryce Harper?
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All this and more with Del Lever, head coach at Chapin High School in South Carolina, next on Baseball Coaches Unplugged.
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Hello and welcome back to Baseball Coaches Unplugged.
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I'm your host, Coach Ken Carpenter.
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Today's guest is going to uh provide a lot of great insight on drills and stuff he does in practice to help make his team better each and every day.
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It's Del Lever, head baseball coach at Chapin High School in South Carolina.
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Thank you for having me.
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I'm excited to talk some ball with you.
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Here's where I want to start.
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Every program has its identity.
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And when someone comes to watch your team play, what do you want them to notice immediately?
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It's a really good question to kick this thing off.
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Um I want them to come and say, and I honestly I'm glad you asked that because I hope our guys are gonna listen to this because I tell them all the time that you never know who's in those stands watching you.
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It could be the first time they see you, and it could be the only time.
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So anytime we step across those lines and play, everyone that watches you need to see that we play hard, we play the right way, we're unbelievable teammates, and we compete.
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And if we can do those four things as individuals, we're we're gonna put on a pretty good show.
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I love that.
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That's uh the the compete part is the the one I like the most.
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Is if you can get a bunch of competitors, anything's possible.
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Absolutely.
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Well, let's get into the game itself.
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Uh, when you're preparing for an opponent, what are you evaluating that actually uh shapes your your game plan for them?
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Um obviously you kind of want to know how they pitch.
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Um, you know what what you're gonna see on the mound and and from an offensive standpoint, just standard stuff, right?
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How how do they swing it?
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Are they more catered to the the small ball approach, or they're gonna slug and send the ball out of the yard from one through nine?
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Um so we kind of look at that.
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But as far as preparing, um, I'm a big believer in, like I just said, preparing our guys and how we play and how we handle our business.
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It's clean defense, we're gonna throw strikes, we're gonna compete in the box, and we're gonna execute.
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And obviously you're gonna prepare for each opponent, but you're gonna it's not the same as football, where you've got the playbook and you know what they're gonna run.
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So I we have an idea going into it, um, but I just if we practice the way that we practice every day and we prepare as individuals at our positions with our position groups to the top tier ability, top down, when we go play someone else, I feel pretty good about our chances.
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So I don't necessarily focus too much on the other team.
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I really focus in on what we do and what we do well and make sure that we can do that well for seven innings each timeout.
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So I hope that answers your question there.
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Yes, because I I really think when it comes to high school baseball that uh, you know, if you focus on what what you just said, what you guys do well and uh play as close as you can to mistake-free baseball, you're gonna give yourself a chance to win every time out.
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And, you know, I mean, maybe when you get closer to tournament time, you might be able to go out and take a look at a team and that you might be playing.
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But you know, I see where you're coming from when you say that guys, let's just worry about ourselves.
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We, you know, we can't even uh worry about what's happening because I can recall a time when there was a team that we uh that I when I was coaching, we played and just the way that uh they took infield was just incredible.
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And I was you know, I was like we had a young team and I thought I can't even let these guys watch this.
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I'm I'm gonna give them a reason.
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Let's go behind Doug Down and talk about something.
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And uh, you know, but uh, you know, sometimes that can that can have an effect on how the game's played because you you never know what you're gonna get after a team takes I.
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Right.
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Yeah, that's my thing.
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You know, I I think with today's youth as a whole and a social media world and the way that it's just society's gotten, I think they already see the external factors anyway, and it's all it's the comparator mindset.
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Well, they do this.
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And I don't look at it that way.
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Like I preach to our guys all the time, if we can really focus on ourselves and our own skill sets and master those, it doesn't matter what the other team does, doesn't matter how big they are, how fast they are, how they play, because we're masters at our own craft and we're playing with confidence, and then we can mash up with anybody.
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So I really try to hone in that with our youth and our in our program from varsity all the way down to the middle school team is just hey, we're gonna be the best that we can do, we can be every day.
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And if we can start stacking those days when it comes game time, we're gonna be able to go out there and compete at the highest level.
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Well, prior to recording, we we talked for just a few moments, and you talked about uh how you guys opened up the season, and uh you're down, you're you're you're playing in South Carolina, so you guys are playing in a state where baseball is really good.
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And talk about how going out there and playing tough opponents is gonna make you guys a better team when it comes tournament time at the end of the season.
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Yeah, we we play we we kicked off the season in a preseason tournament.
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It's called the Classic in Georgetown, South Carolina.
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I'm about 15, 20 miles from Myrtle Beach.
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It's it used to be called the the IP, the International Paper Classic.
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It's been around since I think 1990 or 1991, and it's a big deal.
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And there were eight teams down there this year, and all of them, you know, are some of the top teams in the state from the top classification in 5A, 4A through all that.
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I mean, you're I believe we in our bracket or our pool rather, we played three um reigning state champions in in different classifications.
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So, you know, you're going down there and you're playing some of the best competition that the state has to offer.
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Um, so it's a good test, right?
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You go down there, you learn about yourself as a team because you think you're okay, you think you're good, and then you go down there, you learn, you know, what you need to work on.
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And then, you know, as a whole, from our varsity team, from coaches and players and parents and everybody, like we see where we want to go because we're playing those teams.
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So now we our guys, I our coaching staff included, see these teams, and that's who we want to emulate.
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That's where we want to get to as far as a program.
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And in order to, it's like you said, you know, you sometimes you don't want to see a team take I.O.
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because then you're like, oh no, but like I think it was good for us because we're playing the likes of Dorman High School, who's nationally ranked, James Island, who's nationally ranked.
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They, I mean, they're both of those teams have, you know, 10 Division I guys.
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And you're facing top-tier pitching, you're you're facing guys who they're gonna play high-level baseball at the next level and then probably beyond.
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So it it really tests you early.
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Um, it tests, you know, your coaching, the mental aspect, but it really helped prepare us for getting into the region or the our region play our regular season and hopefully making a run in the playoffs.
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So, man, it's a baseball hotbed down here.
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And every time out, you're gonna get someone's best, and that's what makes it fun.
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Yes, definitely.
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Well, you know, one thing that separates coaches is the uh I guess good coaches from the the the great coaches would be the their fuel for the game.
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And how do you decide when it's time to, hey, you know, we need to play some small ball here versus just letting your guys get after it and swing.
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I think I've learned from some really good dudes in in my coaching career.
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I've been so I've been fortunate to coach under some unbelievably just brilliant baseball men.
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And I've learned so much.
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I've learned a little bit about feel on what you're saying.
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What's the game, and then like what's the game telling you to do and such.
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But I, you know, for me, I like sending the guys out, hey, this is your game.
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Go play a little bit, and then um we'll kind of see how the game goes as far as is this guy we're facing, is he, I mean, is he mowing, is he locked in?
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Is he mowing us down?
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Do we need to kind of change a little bit?
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But as far as the nuts and bolts of I, you know, kind of how we play and how we like to play, you know, we want to execute, we want to move the baseball, we want to get guy.
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I tell our guys, and this is something we've been preaching for the last couple weeks, is get on the plate, get on base.
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And then when you get on base, we're gonna, we're gonna play some situational baseball.
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We're gonna execute to get you in scoring positions so the next guy can have his moment to drive you in.
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So um, I'm just a believer in just playing baseball.
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And whatever that individual who's in the box or who who's on the mound, whatever his skill set, his best attribute is, we're gonna accentuate that to help us maximize that particular moment to hopefully score a run or get get an out or just get us to the next half inning and so forth.
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So I really like using strengths as a as a pitching coach who would call pitches, like, you know, that I'm kind of rambling here, so feel free to stop me.
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But as far as uh I never really focused too much on a scouting report of a hitter so much because I I didn't want to fill my pitcher's head with all of this information when his stuff was good enough.
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And if he just competes in the zone, I don't necessarily see where he could beat us over and over again as long as we compete, pitch with conviction.
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And I've kind of taken that as far into a head coach role where you know what?
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If we go into that moment relaxed and playing to the best of our ability and understanding what the game needs us to do or is it telling us to do, more often than not, we're gonna come out on the positive end.
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Makes sense.
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Well, you know, touching on what you said about about calling pitches, you know, that the whole momentum thing there, uh, you know, is I had written down, you know, when you have a pitcher that, you know, maybe he's starting to struggle a little bit, what do you look for before you you make a move and uh take that starting pitcher out and go to your bullpen?
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How the swing the swings, obviously.
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Um the crisp the crispness of the pitches.
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Are we up?
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Are we down?
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Are we left right?
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Are we consistently up, down, left, right?
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That kinds of those kinds of things.
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Um the the total number of pitches from in in stressful situations.
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Because I mean, you know as well as I do.
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I mean, if a guy's rolling out there and he's not having anybody on base, yeah, he may have thrown 65, 75 pitches, but are they taxing pitches?
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So you can you may could roll him out a little further, but if it if there's constant traffic or if we've booted a couple balls behind him and he's having to pitch out of the stretch to get out of jams, he may have only thrown 60 pitches.
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But when you look at it, that 60 may be 80, 85 as far as stress.
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So um I take those into account, but I also as a coach, I really, really take great pride in getting to know each kid.
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So as a pitching coach, like I wanted to know, I wanted to really get into their line of thinking.
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And I felt like, or I feel like by doing that, when it comes to struggling on the mound, or maybe, maybe they're kind of on his pitches, I've kind of got an idea of where he's at mentally.
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Is he fatigued, or can we push through that a little this a little bit to hopefully steal one, two, three outs to then bridge to the next guy rather than having to make a hasty move?
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But with that said, I also do try to make a move earlier than later, obviously.
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I mean, that's just standard.
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But I I really take great pride in getting to know pitchers and knowing how and teaching them how to pitch in certain situations, how to compete.
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And that way, you know, I guess what I'm getting at is I I put trust in them to get out of a situation rather than go make a move maybe at two or three hitters too soon when he actually could have gotten out of it.
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So I hope that in a roundabout way, I hope that made some sense.
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But you know, I look at the swings, pitch count, the number of pitches he's thrown in with traffic and all that, but um yeah.
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Makes sense.
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Well, you know, the um you know, you talked about uh a couple mentors that you had as uh coaches that helped you out along the way, and just on your experience alone, where do you think high school coaches mismanage games the most right now?
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That's a tough one.
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Um I think sometimes in today's realm of baseball with the type players, I think I think sometimes we don't give players enough credit.
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Because more often than not, you're gonna, you know, is especially at our level in 5A baseball, in the type of baseball that we play in the teams that we play in this state, every team is full of top-tier players.
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So they've been playing since they could walk, obviously, and they've been playing high-level competitive baseball, whether it's high school ball in state or the the showcase, the travel organizations, like these guys know how to play.
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And I think sometimes as a high as a whole, as high school coaches, we sometimes cripple them in a sense.
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Maybe that's not the right word, but we sometimes handcuff them or I get what I'm saying is we don't allow them to go play.
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We don't allow them to relax in a moment because we're trying to do everything for them.
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When in reality, if we just pull the rap, pull ourselves, you know, pull the reins on ourselves a little bit, these guys are gonna, they know what to do and they can go get the job done.
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We just have to trust them to do it.
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So I don't know that as a whole, you know, especially with today's player, that we we may not trust them enough.
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We may not trust them to go out there, compete, and just execute in the situation when they really know what to do and they can handle that.
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How important is it for them to have fun when they're playing?
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One uh it uh to me, it's the most important thing, right?
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Like if you uh, you know, if if if they're not having fun, they're not gonna play to to the best of their ability.
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And that's just gonna trickle down.
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And then we're as a team, we're not gonna be as successful and play at the level that we that we can play.
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And then from a coaching standpoint, if they're not having fun, we're not having fun.
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So to me, the fun aspect is the most important.
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And obviously winning helps that, right?
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Winning is a lot more fun than losing is.
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But if you're not having fun and you're not enjoying what you're doing, you're probably not gonna win anyway.
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So I'm all about fun.
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Well, what is a drill or something you do in practice that you feel is a has a huge carry over to actual gameplay?
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We like I said, I I have learned so much through doing this and different from different guys.
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And I've taken things from my college coach to every my high, even my high school coach to even the guys that I've coached under and tried to formulate and build my own kind of mindset of of what I want practice to be.
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So, you know, we kind of have a theme each day.
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So we have different drills each day.
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One day it may be tempo, so we're boom, we're moving, moving, moving, moving, moving.
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And then we're competing one day.
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One day's urgency.
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And this and so every day we have different drills that these guys love.
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Um, a couple off the top of my head, we do an eagle drill, an eagle defense drill.
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Our mascot is the Eagles, so just call it the Eagle Drill.
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Okay.
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But um, we set machines up on both sides of home plate.
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We've got a coach on a fungo at home plate, and we like we call out a situation and we are shooting balls and we're hitting them.
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And as soon as one play is made, we move to the next.
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So I we try to do that once or twice a week, and it takes about 20 minutes, and we've we you can really throw out any situation you want.
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So we do two or three rounds.
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One round we're doing kind of routine plays, and we'll call something out, you know, runner at second, one, whatever, but it's boom, rapid fire.
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Pitchers are involved, we'll work PFPs with it, we'll shoot balls to the outfield.
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Second round, maybe we're maybe that day we're doing a cut and relay type situational stuff.
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So you've got eight to ten plays in that way.
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And then the third round is kind of the do or die.
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Like we're going to try to win the game.
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So um I've I've I've seen where that really helps these guys um because it allows them to go play.
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Um, you're not necessarily on the clock, but we don't move to the next.
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Play until the the previous ones completed perfectly.
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Um, and they take great pride in it.
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It it, you know, they learn, hey, you know, on our cut and relay, we're gonna line the glove up, we're gonna catch it, we're gonna turn, and we're gonna throw.
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And it's gonna be crisp.
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Our outfitters are talking, our infielders are talking, communication on fly balls between infielders and outfielders.
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Our pitchers are moving, man.
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You come and watch us during that drill, it it is it is a beautiful sight when everything's done crisp perfectly.
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The guys are just jumping around.
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Pitching the pitching coach in me loves it because the guys are jumping around, they're having the time of their life, man.
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Our catchers are involved.
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So that's the Eagle defense drill.
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I'll be glad, you know, someone can reach out to me.
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I'll be glad to talk with them.
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Love that drill.
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Another one we actually did it today during our little Sunday afternoon practice is the PFP Olympics.
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Um, this is something that I love.
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I take great pride in PFPs.
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As a former pitcher, I probably was never gonna win a Cy Young, but I felt pretty good my chances of winning a gold glove.
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So um the PFP Olympics, the each pitcher has nine plays, and the coach can come up with whatever nine they are.
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You know, you have a bunt to one, bund to three, comebacker two, three, six, one, squip, anything, really.
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But they're on the clock.
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So I have a pitcher on the mound, I have a pitcher at home.
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This is strictly a pitching drill.
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Like no position players are involved.
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This is all for pitchers to have fun, but also compete.
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So a pitcher on the mound, pitcher at home, pitcher at first, pitcher at second, and occasionally I'll put one at third.
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The guy on the mound has to complete all nine of those plays on the stopwatch.
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So fakes his pitch, whatever the play is, we call it out.
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He completes it, runs back to the mound, pitch, next play.
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As soon as he completes all nine cleanly, stop the clock, write it down, next guy jumps up.
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So we compete, and obviously the one with the fastest time completing those plays would would win.
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And we've played from anything from you know, a WWE championship belt that I just happened to find at Walmart one time.
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Um, we played for that.
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We played for a glove that we actually spray painted gold.
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So I mean, it is it's whatever you want to make of it, but those dudes, man, at every place that I've been, they've bought into it, and that that's a weekly staple.
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They love it, they love to compete.
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Um, but like I said, we just compete.
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You know, we we we we put in a competition BP here this season, um, where the outcome really isn't necessarily the forefront what we're looking for.
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We want to hit balls hard, so we're grading off smoked line drives.
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Obviously, if they got carry home runs count for a certain amount of points, but even hard contact.
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Um, they've really bought into that.
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And that's really helped our our approaches at the plate where you know you're trying to simplify it.
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You don't want to make it too difficult in a situation.
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You don't want to make them robots, you just want to go out there and compete.
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And then we also do a situational BP where you're getting graded on that as well.